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City Council Minutes 08-20-1984 SpecialMINUTES SPECIAL MEETING - MONTICELLO CITY COUNCIL August 20, 1984 - 4:30 P.M. Members Present: Arve A. Grimsmo, Jack Maxwell, Fran Fair, Dan Blonigen, Ken Maus. Members Absent: None. A special meeting of the City Council was duly held at 4:30 P.M. on Monday, August 20, 1984, in the City Council Chambers for the purpose of interviewing four firms as potential architects for a proposed Fire Hall. 1. The Mayor called the meeting to order and requested that Eidem explain the process. Eidem indicated that four firms had been invited by the Council and that he had notified each of them that they would have approximately 20-30 minutes for their interview of which the first 10-15 minutes would be available for the firm's presentation, followed by questions. Representing the firm of Carlson Mjorud Architecture Ltd. were Al Mjorud, Bruce Carlson, and William Rova. They began their presentation with a slide show introducing their firm and a brief discussion of how they would prepare the information requested. As an example, they discussed a fire hall design for the City of Golden Valley and when questioned indicated they anticipated current cost would be in the range of $60.00 to $65.00 per square foot. Councilmember Blonigen asked them to address their experience with energy conservation and specifically with radiant heat systems. Mr. Carlson indicated that they were, in fact, familiar with those systems and that they held energy conservation as an important factor in any building design. Mayor Grimsmo indicated to the firm that the site selection process had taken a rather different turn, and the City was now considering the existing Fire Hall location. The representatives of the firm indicated that they had assumed that evaluation of the existing site would be part of the overall process. CMA indicated their pleasure at being selected for an interview and stated that they hoped they would be chosen to do the project. There being no further questions, the CMA was excused. 2. Toltz, King, Duvall, Anderson and Associates was the next firm to be interviewed. Representing TKDA was Duane Kasma and Wes Hendrickson. Mr. Kasma and Mr. Hendrickson utilized the first 15-20 minutes to introduce their firm, which they indicate is a complete shop housing architecture, engineering, land use planning, etc., and has been in operations for 75 years. Mr. Hendrickson indicated that he would be the project manager on the Monticello project and gave a brief presentation on energy systems and conservation. He indicated that energy conservation Council Minutes - Special Meeting - 8/20/84 was a crucial aspect to their design. TKDA also presented a brief slide show. When opened for questions, Councilmember Maus asked the typical cost of the most recent fire station they had built. Their response was that it was approximately $60 per square foot. Eidem asked the question as to what was the corporate philosophy of the utility of a building versus the aesthetics of a building. Mr. Hendrickson responded that there are three aspects to building construction, those being function, image, and cost. He stated that function is generally clearly defined and that the image projected by the City would have to conform to the cost or the budget stipulated by the City. He stated that their philosophy of image or aesthetics versus functional utility is defined by the City's philosophy of image and function. Councilmember Blonigen asked what percentage of total project cost comes in as change orders to the project. Mr. Kasma responded that their history has indicated that 1% or less is in change order cost. There being no further questions, Mr. Kasma provided some closing comments and indicated that TKDA felt competent to address the needs of Monticello and would very much like to be selected. Eidem asked what percentage of project cost would be their fee for Phase 2. They stated 611% - 7%. 3. Don Granholm and Jack Boarman of Boarman Architects came before the Council for the third interview of the evening. Mr. Boarman, the owner and president of Boarman Architects, indicated that he would be the project manager on the Monticello job. He provided approximately 10-15 minutes of introduction to the firm, noting that the consulting engineer that they would utilize would be Bakke Kopp Ballou & McFarlin. He stated that their firm had done substantial research into successful bond issue and had assimilated that into a formula and process that had been successful. Mr. Boarman indicated that they had designed 57 buildings since 1978, and that only one came in over budget. Mr. Boarman volunteered the information that the average change orders are less than one-half of 1% of project cost. Mr. Boarman noted that his standard contract provides that the architect redraws all plans and specifications at his cost if bids come in over the established budget. Mr. Boarman then provided some examples of fire halls that they had designed and built. He spent considerable time discussing energy conservation methods and why he had adapted certain methods from his experience in Alaskan design. Doug Pitt, representing the Fire Department, noticed that one of Boarman's designs, the Chanhassen Fire Hall, was built with a gable roof. He wanted to know if that was something that Boarman used in all their designs, or was it unique to Chanhassen. Mr. Boarman responded that that design was a result of three conditions; namely, they had to meet a reduced budget, there were time limitations and winter construction, and the site location was highly residential and, consequently, legislated a building that would blend into the neighborhood. Eidem asked Mr. Boarman his position with utility versus aesthetics. Mr. Boarman responded that design talent was the key to the aesthetics -2- Council Minutes - Special Meeting - 8/20/84 of a building. He stated in his opinion that a building does not have to cost a great deal or be lavishly designed to still be a source of pride to the community. Councilmember Maus asked Mr. Boarman to expand on their background in site selection. Mr. Boarman indicated that he engaged Damon Farber, Land Use Planner, to assist in the site selection and that Mr. Farber had established an objective method of determining base criteria when doing a site evaluation. Councilmember Blonigen, referring again to the Chanhassen Fire Hall, asked if there was a problem of building fire halls out of wood, that he had been led to believe fire halls were always masonry. Mr. Boarman indicated that wood fire halls were perfectly acceptable and that for energy reasons, they would sometimes even be preferable. Councilmember Fair asked if Boarman had an in-house engineer or utilized a consultant. Mr. Boarman re -affirmed his earlier comment that they utilized Bakke Kopp Ballou & McFarlin as a consulting firm, but that he was the sole individual responsible for design and follow-up. There being no further questions, the interview was concluded. 4. The last party to appear for an interview was Zack Johnson of the Zack Johnson Group. Mr. Johnson provided approximately 10-15 minutes of introduction to his firm and a discussion of design principles. He indicated that in various cities he had assisted with the selling of a referendum and felt that he had a competent method for selling the Monticello referendum. Mr. Johnson also noted that he would wish to identify previous architects for the City and the problems the City may have had with those architects and buildings so as to avoid them from the very beginning. At the conclusion of Mr. Johnson's introductory presentation, Councilmember Fair asked about the amount of time that would be spent on site inspecting construction. Mr. Johnson indicated that on a job of this size approximately 200 of their overall time would be spent or 2-3 times per week. Again Eidem asked the question about aesthetics versus utility. Mr. Johnson responded that he felt that the aesthetics and the utility of a building went hand-in-hand; that there was an obligation on the City to present both a positive image but to stay within budget showing that they both were concerned for the image as well as the business aspects of the construction. He went on to say that in his estimation, every city construction project makes a statement, and that he feels the statement should be positive. Before closing, Mr. Johnson discussed his strong opinion that life cycle costing is far more crucial to design than is up -front construction cost. After his closing comments, the interviews were concluded. Discussion was held amongst the Council members relating to site preference. Councilmember Fair indicated that her preference still lies with Block 15 on the north edge of the cemetery. Her preference for that site, she indicated, had to do with -3- Council Minutes - Special Meeting - 8/20/84 the possibility of developing both the Fire Hall and perhaps some open green areas that would front on 25. Other members of the Council acknowledged that that site, while very low, should be investigated to determine whether or not it is physically developable without undue expense. Mayor Grimsmo noted that that was a site that he had also liked from the beginning and that there were substantial growth limitations to developing on the existing site. Motion by Fair, second by Maus, and carried unanimously to direct staff to further investigate the feasibility of constructing a Fire Hall on Block 15, said investigation to include soil borings and discussions with Mr. Eck over the possible acquisition of his property. Each Council member then ranked the four firms that were interviewed, with the individual rankings then being tallied up with the final results as follows: 1st choice, TKDA; 2nd, Boarman Architecture; 3rd, CMA; and 4th, Zack Johnson Group. Motion by Maus, second by Maxwell, to engage TKDA as the Architectural Consulting Firm for the construction of the proposed Monticello Fire Hall. Voting in favor: Maxwell, Maus, Grimsmo, Fair. Voting in opposition: Blonigen. There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned. Thomas A. Eid m City Administrator -4-