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Planning Commission Minutes 05-02-2017 (Joint Meeting)MINUTES SPECIAL/JOINT R=T�NG - MONTICELLO PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL Tuesday, May 2nd, 2017 - 5:00 p.m. Mississippi Room, Monticello Community Center Present: John Alstad, Brad Fyle, Marc Simpson, Brian Stumpf, Jim Davidson, Bill Fair, Charlotte Gabler, Lloyd Hilgart Absent: Sam Murdoff, Lucas Wynne Staff Angela Schumann, Steve Grittman (NAC) 1. Call to Order Chairman Brad Fyle called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. 2. Concept Proposal for amendment to Planned Unit Development for detached townhome lots in an R-2 (Single and Two Family Residential) District at Carlisle Village 2nd Addition. Applicant: Carlisle Village, LLC Steve Grittman introduced the proposal which was to replat a portion of the Carlisle Village Second Addition plat. It was originally platted for attached townhomes, however the applicant proposes detached homes. Grittman stated that the original development of townhomes included 92 units, with eight already completed. Seventeen additional townhouse units have been approved as a part of the first phase of development which have remained undeveloped. The proposal would instead include the construction of fourteen detached homes. The homes would exist on small lots within a large common area and be subject to the rules of an association for maintenance. Grittman commented that the entire Carlisle Village project included 240 residential units with a mix of housing from small and large lot single family and attached townhomes. Steve Grittman discussed staff comments and recommendations. He noted that if the proposal were to be approved the applicant would need to work with the association for access and maintenance. Grittman explained concerns with neighborhood continuity with mixing the townhomes with single family homes and the idea for Carlisle Village to have consistent groups of housing styles. There would also be concerns with the area neighboring the proposed development that is currently vacant in terms of the future plan for development. At present, it is platted as an outlot. Grittman also noted that while there is a reduction in overall density with the proposal, it is close to what was originally proposed. He also explained that the homes and lots are narrower than what is typical for single family housing options in Monticello and within Carlisle Village. Architectural compatibility also needs to be considered. The overall access to lots and utilities also needed to be looked at prior to accepting the proposal. Grittman reviewed the comments on behalf of the City Engineer. Water service disconnections would need to occur for the reduction of units. He also noted the engineer's comment related to the created wetlands existing on the outlot parcel. Lastly, it was mentioned the need to review stormwater management guidelines according to the MPCA requirements. Brad Fyle asked the applicant to give a brief presentation of their proposal. Kent Roessler, Paxmar, introduced himself and stated that he has worked in the community and surrounding area before. He explained the idea was to split up the previously approved townhomes and place ten foot spacing between each of them. Roessler reassured the boards that the proposal has become popular for homebuyers. Under the previous approval, Paxmar could move forward with the four and five unit townhomes with the appropriate building permits or they could build the detached homes if approved by the boards. The applicant noted that these proposed homes would be a better build and the price point could be pushed an additional ten to twenty percent. These units would be dressed up better than the previously proposed with architectural brick and stone. The basements would be unfinished allowing the property owner to complete if wanted. Roessler indicated that they are proposing a decrease of 17% less units, but an increase in assessed value. The townhome assessed value is around $150,000 per unit, where the proposed units could reach above $200,000. He noted that units would be a mix of two and three bedroom homes, most with two bathrooms, and two to three stall garages. The buildings would be completely energy efficient and ranging from three different floor plans with around ten different frontage designs. Roessler explained that he would like this development to join the existing HOA if possible. The HOA would maintain the lawn care, snow removal, irrigation, and necessary insurance. The homeowners would be responsible for exterior maintenance because of the individual units. Brian Stumpf asked what the proposed timeline would be for the development surrounding the pond along Gatewater Drive. Roessler stated they wanted to complete this proposal first and then work on completing the remaining with similar detached units. Bill Fair asked how many relocations for water would need to occur. Roessler stated zero with two stubs possibly needing to be capped. Fyle asked about the area of the homes. Roessler explained the total square footage of about 2,000 square feet would include the unfinished basement area. Charlotte Gabler asked for the difference between this proposal and the Sunset Ponds development. Roessler noted that they would be similar, but the biggest difference would be a 26-28 foot garage depth (two to four feet more than Sunset Ponds). Gabler stated that larger style homes would better match the area. Gabler also asked about the orientation of the four proposed homes facing Gatewater Circle. Roessler stated that was the direction that the townhomes were originally approved. Fyle asked whether the homes would be spec or pre -sale. Roessler stated a majority of the homes would be built as spec, but he would be open to pre -sale as well. Lloyd Hilgart stated concern with the appearance and transition by having two existing townhomes already built in the area. Roessler indicated with required screening, the variation would be less distinguishable. 2 Jim Davidson also echoed concern with varying from the townhome concept that was started. Roessler noted increased landscaping and architectural materials would complement the area and an increase in popularity would be seen. Gabler asked if a compromise by constructing attached townhomes east of Bakken Street and continue with plans for the remaining detached homes. Roessler stated that he was open to the idea and would proceed with either attached or detached units. David Norling, 8608 Gatewater Drive, expressed appreciation for the detached homes. Jon Morphew, 8586 Gatewater Drive, preferred the detached homes especially behind his property. Morphew asked if these homes came with finished decks. Roessler confirmed that they came with the opportunity for a deck or could build their own with the approval of the HOA. Morphew asked if the Boards could require decks to be built. Grittman stated the Planning Commission and City Council could wish to require that. Sally Bair, 8554 Gateway Circle, explained they were in conversations with Paxmar about their plans and were in favor of the proposal. Bair explained the HOA's openness to having the additional homes included with the HOA. Fyle and Simpson stated no concerns with the proposed development. Bill Fair recommended having a standardization for what decks and patios (especially second story) should look like. Hilgart indicated that the decks should remain similar to each other and blend. Roessler stated that shouldn't cause much concern and often times homeowners like the option to build their own decks. He reminded the Boards that the HOA has specific standards decks must comply to. 3. Adjournment MARC SIMPSON MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 5:49 P.M. JOHN ALSTAD SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED, 8-0. Recorder: Jacob Thunander Approved: June 6th, 2017 Attest: AngelaacimnJCommunity Development Director 3